monitor color settings

[strangelets]

I hope this is the proper forum for this question. Recently I have discovered that a certain icon appears green and teal on my home computer, yet it appears red and blue when I view it on a friend's computer (and to most other people, apparently). http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/poll_icon.gif

I also viewed a variety of pages on my friend's computer, and I noticed that something which appears dark burgundy at home is black on her pc, and something which appears dark gray at home appears dark green on her pc. Her monitor is set to a lower resolution than mine and the picture in general seems to be of lesser quality. I viewed several color pallette sites from my own pc to test if I am seeing the correct colors, and I seem to be. Every color that had red in the name looked red to me, none of them looked green, and yet that little icon is definitely green and teal on my home pc! I am very confused, to say the least.

I have windows98se, IE 5.0 (to be precise, IE5.00.2919.63071S, a customized version for ATT@home), my graphics card is ATI Rage 128 Pro. My colors are set to 16 bit high color, and my monitor is a 17" trinitron p780. My resolution is 1024x768.
In general I have a very nice, crisp display and I have no complaints, but why would this one little icon appear the "wrong" color for me, while all other red items appear red?
any suggestions for things I should adjust?

p.s. one more thing...the graphics acceleration is turned down to about half, it's not at full acceleration because there was a conflict with my cd jewelcase creator program and every time I tried to change the background picture on a cd insert, my entire OS would freeze! The Dell help mb suggested turning the acceleration down and that cured the problem. I have noticed NO difference after turning it down, even when playing games, but could that be the reason for the color mystery?

WTF?? Why did it censor all the "a"s and substitute 3 aterisks for every letter a?
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[strangelets]

This is turning every first letter (the one before B) into 3 of these ***. Is this some test to see if I will compose only using 4 vowels?

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[Techguy]

it was a temporary problem. Now corrected. Sorry for inconvenience

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[strangelets]

This icon JUST NOW started appearing red and blue to me on my home pc!! The same settings, nothing had changed, no re-booting, nothing. Just simply, it was green and now it's red. I know ezboard (yes that's where it's from http://www.helpfromtechs.com/ubb/smilies/tongue.gif)changed the icon but kept the same url for it so the change would be retroactive to all old polls, but they did this days ago and other people were seeing the new colors while I still saw the old colors(on my home pc) til 10 minutes ago today!(however 2 days ago I could see the new colors on a friend's pc, so I know it changed days ago)

So, obviously my monitor is fine. My settings are fine. But why would other people see an updated color scheme several days before I did? I never have a problem seeing a refreshed page on sites that change frequently, like message boards, so I don't think I am caching the image and seeing the old one for that reason. I always see new messages and stuff like that without having to refresh my browser. This isn't really a hardware issue anymore, sorry.

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[tweakthis]

Happy to hear the problem is resolved, strangelets.

I do wonder, however, why your setting is for 16 bit high colour. It seems like kind of a waste. You have a decent card and monitor and, imho, are not getting full use out of either. I have my 6 year old 14" magnavox with an ATI RageII set at 32 bit true colour at 800x600.

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[strangelets]

You are right, I should change it to true color. In fact, I thought I did have it set to that until this little mystery and I investigated my settings to see what could be responsible for the wackiness. I never really tinkered with it much after I got it all set up last summer. I never worried about it either, because everything looks great, skintones, nature scenes, all beautiful and better than a tv. But now I will change to true color and see what the difference is.
(I also think I will reccomend my friend change her settings, because although I could see the red and blue icon sooner on her pc than on mine, most other more subtle colors looked very bad and too dark on her monitor. It really made me appreciate my display!)

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[reddsteel]

Yeah, I would defintely go higher...
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[strangelets]

I just set it to true color last night. Then I was prompted to restart my computer, so I did. After I was back logged into windows, I kept getting this pop up saying LOG had performed and illegal operation and would be shut down. I click to close that, but every split second it keeps popping up again! I never got this before I changed to true color. Even ctrl-alt-del would not get this to stop, in fact when I hit ctrl-alt-del, nothing happened at all! It was late so I shut down and decided to fool with it in the morning. This morning, after starting and logging in, I got that same illegal operation from LOG again, but at least this time I could close it and it hasn't popped back up.

BY the way, the colors all look exactly the same as they did on high color, sites I visit all the time, my wallpaper, screensaver, etc. It looked great before and it still does, but no better, plus this annoying illegal op thing. Should I go back to high color? What's this LOG business and what does it have to do with changing my colors? (explain it to me like a was a 3 year old, please http://www.helpfromtechs.com/ubb/smilies/smile.gif)

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[strangelets]

Holy cow, I changed back to high color and the Log illegal operation is STILL happening everytime I start up! This is what it says in the details of the illegal op pop-up window:
LOG caused an invalid page fault in
module MSVCRT.DLL at 018f:78010b6a.
Registers:
EAX=00000900 CS=018f EIP=78010b6a EFLGS=00010202
EBX=00000009 SS=0197 ESP=0063f8fc EBP=0063fd64
ECX=00000009 DS=0197 ESI=780222aa FS=43e7
EDX=00000001 ES=0197 EDI=78037cc8 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
8a 0a 42 38 d9 74 dc 84 c9 74 51 f7 c2 03 00 00
Stack dump:
78022082 00402a3c 00000001 00000009 00000000 00000000 004061e8 41202d20 6e757474 74654e65 6b726f77 72202d20 6e613130 6576612e 74612d6f 656e7574

What does all that mean? What do I need to do to make it stop? Why has this never happened until I changed to true color? (I realize this is now a Windows question and no longer a monitor question, but for the sake of continuity I am replying to this thread.)

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[Techguy]

What do you have running on STartup? IU would assume some Log???
check msconfig.

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[strangelets]

Microsoft money agent, yahoo IM, AIM, scan reg, task monitor, AtiPTA, system tray, POINTER, load power profile, voyetra tray, adaptec easy cd creator,adaptec direct cd, norton anti-virus, TgAddServer, Tgcmd, StillImageMonitor,Attune, Scheduling agent, microsoft office startup, Cal reminder shortcut, and run=.
All those are checked in the startup area of msconfig. I don't even know what some of those ARE, but I don't see anything about LOG and I don't even know what this LOG is, really. I have never seen it before I changed my color setting, and now even though I changed it back I keep getting the error a million times at startup, I keep closing it but it keeps coming back, then finally god takes pity on me and the thing stays closed and I can have some peace!

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[strangelets]

happened again today.
LOG caused an invalid page fault in
module MSVCRT.DLL at 018f:78010b6a.
Registers:
EAX=00000900 CS=018f EIP=78010b6a EFLGS=00010202
EBX=00000009 SS=0197 ESP=0063f8fc EBP=0063fd64
ECX=00000009 DS=0197 ESI=780222aa FS=1237
EDX=00000001 ES=0197 EDI=78037cc8 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
8a 0a 42 38 d9 74 dc 84 c9 74 51 f7 c2 03 00 00
Stack dump:
78022082 00402a3c 00000001 00000009 00000000 00000000 004061e8 41202d20 6e757474 74654e65 6b726f77 72202d20 6e613130 6576612e 74612d6f 656e7574

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[smurfy]

OK, A few points to chime in on here (I'm a bit late for some of this but it may help explain):

1) The icon colours not changing - Either your browser was using a cached copy to speed page loads (and took a few days for the cached copy to be replaced) or your ISP uses proxy caching in which case, you would only get the new version when your ISP updates the page.
To check how often your browser refreshes it's cache - IE5.5 Tools/Options/temporary Internet Files&gt;Settings.

2) 16 bit vs 32 bit settings. 32 bit uses more sytem resources for virtually no visible distinction (particularly on the web). If images on the web were optimised for 32bit colour, the page loads would take forever. Most web browsing can be done at 256 colour withour noticing any image distortion. If your are constantly looking at high res pictures / graphics, use 32but, otherwise save some system usage and keep it at 16bit.

3) I'm still searching for LOG. It must be part of one of the multitude of apps you have starting up with Windows that is not compatible with your 32bit display. I would hazard a guess and say that at one time you DID have 32bit colour then you installed this software which (without your knowlege) changed your display settings to 16bit so it could run.

Just a thought, what sort of Mouse do you have, is it a Logitech? Is "Pointer" the mouse driving software? That's where I would look first.


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[strangelets]

my cache setting is: check for newer version of stored pages=automatically. That's the box that is checked. (should I change it to "every visit"?)It must only cache images and not whole pages, because I always see when a message board has new messages without having to hit refresh.My ISP is att@home, I have cable and they do use a proxy.
I have a microsoft mouse. Not logitech. I have no logitech equipment. I do have a canon USB scanner that has no power cord of it's own, it gets power through the USB cable, so everytime I startup, the scanner makes a little noise like it's turning on, too. But I have had that for like 6 months and never had this LOG error before, so I don't think it's anything to do with the scanner.
I had changed back to 16 bit high color immediately because of this log error I got when I changed to 32 bit, but now it's been back to 16 bit for a week and I am still getting the log error every time I start up, for like the first 2 minutes, then it goes away. It is not related to the computer being cold at startup, because it also happens if I restart after it being on for hours, when it's nice and toasty.

I changed the start config so that direct cd and cd creator are not checked,what else can I safely remove from my start config? Some of those things that I don't know what they are, I assume they are technical things that I don't directly use but are neccesary for the computer to run.
these for example:
scan reg, task monitor, AtiPTA, system tray, POINTER, load power profile, voyetra tray, TgAddServer, Tgcmd, StillImageMonitor,Scheduling agent,Cal reminder shortcut, and run=.

Are there any of these that I can remove from the startup config? And will that silve this LOG dealie? Do all those numbers and gobbledygook I pasted in above make any sense to anyone? LOL

I wondered if the illegal operation had something to do with logging on to windows, because that has LOG in the name. The pc is set up for multipe users, although I am the only one who has ever used it. The resolution settings are different for the 2 user profiles. Today I logged in as the other user, but I still got that LOG illegal operation thing(plus another one called Tgfix-illegal operation), and when I logged off and logged back on as my own name, I got it again.
I know I will have to just contact Dell support but I am afraid of a long wait on hold and other tedium, so I hoped I could find out the solution here instead.


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[smurfy]

What I would suggest is download "Startup Cop" (I don't have the link here at work but you'll find it by searching the net).
I use it on W95 (no MSCONFIG) but I hear it is better that MSCONFIG anyway.

This will provide a list of every app starting up with Windows. You can then get details of each app to see what file name it actually uses and you will hopefully find "Log" there with some clue as to which program is running it.
If you can't figure out how to get Startup cop to tell you the info, post back again.

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[strangelets]

I think I have a clue...today for some reason AIM was not working and it did not start when I started my computer, and guess what....no LOG error! I am going to take AIM out of the startup config and restart and see what happens. Will report back later.

(later)
WooHoo! That seems to have killed the log error! And if I start AIM manually right AFTER startup, it does not give me any trouble. I have no idea why AIM would cause this error all of a sudden after changing my colors (and then changing them back) but the problem appears to be solved, unless it's just taking a break only to come back and haunt me later! (I guess the LOG was something to do with LOGGING into AIM??)

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[reddsteel]

Well it is from AOL, glad everything is ok now! http://www.helpfromtechs.com/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

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[strangelets]

Yeah, I should have suspected it becuase AOHell makes it! I would never have AOL as my ISP but I do kinda like AIM, (except when it logs me off for no reason). But the AIM buddy chat is nice for 3 or more people, and I find the yahoo chatrooms often will freeze my browser with their evil poison applets.
Anyway, it seems to be all fixed now so I'm happy!
Merry Christmas to everyone and happy 2001!

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